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    【F】 The Rolex Daytona Is No Longer A Watch (fratellowatches.com)

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    The Rolex Daytona Is No Longer A Watch — It’s The Ultimate Get-Out-Of-Jail-Free Card
    When your Cosmograph becomes a currency or even a commodity, it’s no longer just any old chronograph
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    LEX STOLK
    MARCH 16, 2022

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    In the movie Leaving Las Vegas (1995), alcoholic Ben Sanderson, played by Nicolas Cage, pawns his Daytona for $500 to sustain his destructive addiction. Had he done so today, the…

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    In the movie Leaving Las Vegas (1995), alcoholic Ben Sanderson, played by Nicolas Cage, pawns his Daytona for $500 to sustain his destructive addiction. Had he done so today, the cash he would get for his 1990s Rolex Daytona, Zenith-equipped reference 16520 would be closer to $30,000. Yes, the times, they are a-changing. The times have changed so much that the Rolex Daytona is no longer a watch. Because of waiting lists with no hope on the horizon and the steady rise into the stratosphere of prices on the parallel market, the iconic Cosmograph has become a symbol of many things — and many things that are not too positive, unfortunately. The Daytona is, in essence, a sporty chronograph of course, but in reality, it now functions as currency or a commodity. Where has the watch-fun element gone, and will it ever come back?

    Do you want to play the blame game? If you have to blame one Rolex watch for nearly eternal waiting lists and abnormal prices on the secondary market, let it be the Daytona 116500LN. The shortage of steel sports watches from Rolex was already building up below the surface, but when the black- or white-dialed steel Daytona with a ceramic bezel debuted in 2016, it became crystal clear to everyone. The new Daytona was a clear upgrade and evolution of an already in-demand watch. And as soon as it hit Baselworld, people started talking about it, showing it online, and placing orders. Speculations about waiting lists started, the craze began growing, and it became some sort of vicious circle — a feeding frenzy, if you will.

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    Rolex Daytona 16520 Mk2 — Picture courtesy of Bulang and Sons

    The Rolex Daytona is no longer a watch — An outstanding reputation for dependability
    Only if you have a long and strong relationship with your dealer and an extensive and excellent purchase history, your time on the waiting list — expect up to 36 months for steel Daytona — can be shorter. Don’t get your hopes up for an extra Rolex factory to churn out sufficient watches to cool down the market. That’s not going to happen any time soon. In other words, the shortage isn’t going away in the foreseeable future, and therefore, the prices on the secondary market won’t come down.

    You could say that Rolex is suffering from the fact that it’s at the top of the food chain when it comes to the world’s most trusted brands. The reputation of the Crown is rock solid. Rolex is the watch equivalent of an AAA-rated bank. I bet many country’s central banks are even envious of Rolex’s reputation for dependability. In other words, your money is safe with Rolex. And because that is the case, the watch itself transcends its original functionality.

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    Rolex Daytona 116520

    Rolex — the perfect tradable commodity in case of an emergency
    A Rolex has always been more than a trustworthy travel companion. Because of the brand’s reputation, a Rolex watch has always been your get-out-of-jail-free card. It was American Travel Channel host Philippe Cousteau — yes, he’s the grandson of the legendary oceanic explorer Jacques Cousteau— who once said he got the advice from a British ex-Special Forces member to always travel with a steel Rolex. By the way, he also recommended not flaunting the watch, just like I once did, but rather to just have it with you.

    That advice doesn’t stem from a Rolex’s excellent reliability, but mostly because it makes for a perfect tradable commodity in case of an emergency. That’s the bonus of having something on the wrist from one of the world’s most trusted brands. A Rolex is recognized as valuable and desirable even in the farthest corners of the planet. The Rolex is indeed some sort of get-out-of-jail-free card.

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    Rolex Daytona 116500 -Picture courtesy of Xupes

    You can buy your way out of (almost) every situation with your Daytona. When you, for instance, look on Chrono24 for Daytona prices, you will see that they start around €20K. No idea what the Daytona-to-ngultrum exchange rate is — we’d have to ask someone from the Kingdom of Bhutan — but it will most certainly get you water, food, and a ride to your country’s embassy.

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    Rolex Daytona 116500 — Picture courtesy of The Watch Club

    The Rolex Daytona is no longer a watch, it’s now solid collateral
    You don’t even have to sell your Rolex Daytona to financially benefit from the watch. The luxury asset could be used to obtain collateral loans. And collateral loans are an easy and quick way to access cash with no credit check, credit history, or financial disclosures. You can get a loan of up to 75% of the current resale value of a Rolex Daytona; please do the math on your Daytona reference of choice by yourself. Due to Rolex’s solid reputation and its watches being in such high demand, it makes timepieces from the Swiss brand eligible for the highest loan-to-value (LTV) ratios available. The Daytona or any other Rolex on your wrist makes it possible to capitalize on its real-world value without the need to sell.

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    Rolex Daytona 116505

    Money leaves bad patina
    So, who are the people that buy Rolex Daytona chronographs on the parallel market for way above retail prices? People with money and who understand money. Bankers, for instance, I’ve learned from a respected reseller. And they don’t buy the Daytona to wear, enjoy, and admire, but to put into the safe. They’re speculating on a further increase in value. In my opinion, this does nothing good to the reputation of the watch, to put it mildly. The more people put the Daytona in the safe to gather value, the more bad financial patina it collects. Scratches and discoloration are personal patina, but money leaves bad stains on the Daytona’s reputation.

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    Rolex Daytona 6240

    Rumors and word on the street
    What also doesn’t help are stories and rumors about authorized dealers who are selling out the back door to pre-owned dealers for a quick and hefty profit. Or those that sell to select individuals who, after buying the new Daytona for €13,800, sell it to the AD’s “other” pre-owned store down the road for a nice profit. All this does is facilitate the dealer to sell it a second time for a much nicer profit. A new-in-box steel Daytona 116500 goes for €40,000-55,000 on the secondary market.

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    Rolex Daytona 116500 — Picture courtesy of Xupes

    I’ve also heard of important/trusted/long-time customers being offered the watch of their choice — we’re talking steel sports watches from Rolex, but also sporty models from brands like Patek Philippe and Audemars Piguet — with a catch. And the catch is that they also have to buy undesirable watches in the brand’s collection to get the one they desire. If that doesn’t hurt the relationship with the customer, nothing will, if you ask me.

    I know, it’s “just” rumors and word on the high street, but since the stories of practices like the ones I described are not incidental, it proves that money rules everything with an iron fist. The current market situation is all about short-term profit and has no eye on the long-term consequences. Greed doesn’t only hurt the retailer, it also hurts the value of the brand. That’s something Thierry Stern was well aware of when he decided to axe the steel Nautilus.

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    Rolex Daytona 6241 with white three-color Paul Newman dial – Picture courtesy of Bulang and Sons

    The waiting game
    Can you keep a cool head? Do you have patience and stamina? If so, you can put your name on a waiting list for a Daytona. I can understand that even though there are interesting alternatives to the Daytona, they are not the real deal. And since the heart wants what the heart wants, you have no other option but to put yourself on a waiting list. Two things. First, don’t wait by the phone. Second, know you are on the waiting list with other committed, die-hard Daytona fans, but also with a lot of other people whose sole reason for having their name on that list is to make a quick buck. I do understand that one’s love for a watch can give way to the temptation to sell it for a profit. But that should only take place after wearing it for a while, not upfront. The latter has nothing to do with love; it’s financial speculation.

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    An ex-Air Force guy’s Rolex Daytona 6263
    The problem with the Rolex Daytona is that most anecdotes about the watch revolve around money, like this one. An Air Force man buys a Daytona 6263 in 1975 while stationed in Thailand. He pays $345.97 for it. Over four decades later, he watches Antiques Roadshow on television, where people bring in kitsch, art, and other stuff like timepieces to have them appraised by experts. He recalls the watch he once bought that has been sitting in a safe-deposit box for ages.

    The man gets his practically NOS watch appraised. He learns that a Daytona similar to his with a “Paul Newman” dial, a watch that was nearly impossible to sell all those years ago, is now roughly worth $150,000 to $200,000. But the ex-Air Force guy’s watch is a ref. 6263 with the much rarer screw-down pushers and “Oyster” on the dial. In production from only from 1970 to 1971, his particular watch is the rarest of the rare. And since his nearly NOS example has all the boxes and papers, its value could be as high as $700,000 today. That’s a “markup” of no less than 202,329%. Quite the (accidental) investment, I’d say.

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    Rolex Daytona 6265

    The Rolex Daytona is no longer a watch — it’s all about the money
    Yes, that’s a great anecdote, but is it really about the watch? I think it’s more about the money than the watch itself. And the same often goes for auction results. This is why the Rolex Daytona is no longer a watch. People don’t talk about the watch because watch fans can’t get their hands on them because of the shortage and the stellar prices on the secondary market. Things have changed even for owners who bought a Daytona fair and square, or pre-2016 when the world of watches was still spinning at a slower pace. That’s because of how other people now perceive the watch and what owners now know about its increase in value. It’s such a shame because the Rolex Daytona is an extraordinary chronograph with a fascinating history and a remarkable design.

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    Rolex Daytona 116506

    If you want to know more about the Rolex Daytona as a watch and how many references there are nowadays, please check Rolex’s official website.
     
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    Si Rolex, pusiera en el mercado cada año el doble de daytonas que pone ahora, seguro que la especulación bajaría, o eso creo
     
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    Por cierto. :Angel:
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    Es lo mismo que pasa con algunos, o muchos 911 air: ya no son coches, son billetes. A favor del Daytona, que es más portátil; más fácil de transportar para un valor parecido.
     
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    Si mal no recuerdo, el amigo Pichó, el que estafó mas de 1.000.000€ en coches, según explicó, huyó a Miami con su A.P. que empeñó allí por $30k para ir tirando una temporada.
     
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    Seguro que si.
    Pero que a Rolex esto le sale rentable. La dificultad de obtener estos relojes creo despierta un interés renovado en ciertos clientes. Gente que había perdido interés en la marca (que se renueva menos que Zastawa) y que ahora los vuelve a mirar con deseo. Tontos no son estos de Rolex.
     
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    Pues a mi me pasa lo contrario. He perdido el interés en Rolex.
    Con lo que hay que pagar por algunos modelos...se abre un mundo de alta relojería con mucho mayor interés.

    Y lo de ver sus tiendas sin nada que ofrecer es patético...Hace pocos años en el aeropuerto de Zurich donde voy bastante era una orgía de modelos. Hoy no tienen nada y lo poco que tienen, con letrero de "no está em venta"...

     
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    Me pasa exactamente lo mismo
    También he perdido el interés en Rolex, hasta me da pereza ponérmelos ya (vamos que no me los pongo)
    Y me fijo ahora muchísimo más en otras marcas
     
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    Las gallinas que entran por las que salen….:Smiling Face With Open Mouth:
     
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    Seguro que entran más y más generosas para aflojar el bolsillo.
     
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    Los Daytonas tiene algo que los hace únicos
     
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    IMG_3980.jpg IMG_8940.jpg IMG_0167.JPG Por la red me he encontrado fotos sin pulseras. :Smiling Face With Halo:
     
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    Las cosas que me gustan más son las que se pueden disfrutar relajadamente, sin importar si es en público o en privado, solo o con los tuyos (amigos, familia).
    Cuando un objeto se utiliza sobre todo para enseñarlo a los demás, para mí pierde interés. Esta es la forma en que muchos están usando actualmente sus relojes... Por ejemplo, poniéndolos en su foto de perfil del WhatsApp.
    Que nadie se sienta aludido, es cierto que hay muchos aficionados que disfrutan los relojes y mucho, a menudo en privado. Pero cuando un objeto no se puede enseñar porque atrae demasiadas miradas y condiciona lo que se puede hacer cuando se lleva, para mí pierde interés.

    Creo que los de marketing de Rolex son expertos consumados en el arte de generar el deseo, ese erotismo de lo que se tiene al alcance de los dedos pero escapa cuando estás llegando a tocarlo. Y la mística pseudo-militar, de los pilotos de combate y demás, creo que es parte de ello. Porque hoy día si quieres tener dinero efectivo, valores, o incluso oro físico fácilmente disponible, hay otros métodos... basta un móvil. El carcelero de Mogadiscio puede creer que tu Daytona está hecho de chinesio, o valorarlo a precio de quincalla, pero el saldo de su Paypal o similar posiblemente sí lo valore a precio de efectivo contante y sonante. Moraleja: no viajes sin tu móvil.:Grinning Face:

    De todos modos le preguntaré a un buen amigo, que fue instructor de combate cuerpo a cuerpo de las fuerzas especiales británicas, qué opina de la estrategia del Rolex de acero como pasaporte para salir de algún atolladero... y os cuento.
     
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    Yo creo que es mas probable que te meta en un lio, que que te saque de el.
     
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    Curioso que ese mismo... marketing místico no le sirva a marcas que gastan millones de pavos en ese géneros, y que sacan modelos interminables hasta con nombres de academias de vuelo, desiertos con reminiscencias militares, aviones, pilotos...entiéndase Breitling, IWC o Bell & Ross.
    Hasta donde yo sé, Rolex no ha invertido un chavo en marketing de aviación ni milicia.
    Ni los A/6538, ni los 5517, 5513/5517, ni los más escasos 5517 que se entregaron como dotación militar, fuera de la red comercial, fueron nunca usado como anuncios por parte de la marca.
     
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    Por cierto, en este foro abrí un hilo sobre los Submariner de uso militar.
     
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    Sip, si el marketing fuera la respuesta a todo, Thor vendría relojes a 3.000 pavos a puñados... ese análisis simplista no es válido.
     
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    No sabría yo si gastan mucho en marketing. Aunque últimamente, con la F1 se dejan ahí su pasta.
    Pero como no es una empresa al uso, es todo raro...
     
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    Y en el Tenis y Golf también gastan. Saben cual es su target.
     
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